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I’m pretty sure Reds fans wouldn’t be making the case for Dusty Baker in the Hall of Fame, or Cubs fans either. Dusty does have a pretty good reputation as a manager, especially when it comes to looking out for his players. But looking at the numbers, Baker should definitely be in the discussion.
Managers in the Hall of Fame is a confusing prospect. There aren’t too many – only 19, and before 2008, only 17. Identifying great managers by numbers is near impossible – wins are useful, but more based on how good the team is. Then again, managerial skill should get you a job with the best teams. Right? Maybe?
The procedure for electing managers to the hall of fame also obscures the system – until 2003, they were selected by closed sessions of the Veterans Committee, which did a fine job, but there’s very little data to suggest why some managers got in and some didn’t. Then, special elections were held in 2003 and 2007 by the VC for managers, with a complicated system for deciding who got balloted. There were also elections in 2008 and 2010, and now, from 2011 going forward, managers will be considered every year on the VC ballot, with qualifying players, executives and umpires.
The managers already in the hall of fame are not particularly consistent, and a lot of the bare data on them has to be understood from a historical perspective. For instance, Wilbert Robinson, who was selected by the Old Timers Committee of 1945 (so who knows), has 1399 wins, and a .500 winning percentage, which doesn’t seem particularly impressive, but apparently at the time 1399 was third all-time among NL managers. (I’m using winning percentage not because I necessarily think the VC looks at it, but it’s a decent estimate of how many good teams vs bad teams a guy managed. Most of the managers in the HOF have good winning percentages.) There’s also Bucky Harris, who has an impressive 2158 wins, and a less impressive .493 winning percentage – but his induction may also have to do with his solid play at second base as a player-manager, and his stint as the Boston GM, where he integrated the Red Sox for the first time.
Dusty’s case is not a particularly clear one. As I mentioned before, his 1500 (now 1500+) wins put him at 20th all time. The 19 men with more include 11 HOF managers, 1 HOF player, 5 either active or recently retired….and Gene Mauch and Ralph Houk. Mauch has at least been on a VC ballot, even if he didn’t get much support, but Houk’s only been on the pre-consideration ballot ballot. 8 HOF managers have fewer wins.
Those five recently retired/active managers are probably the biggest issue. If you’ve read Bill James’ Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame, or Politics of Glory, or whatever the kids are calling it these days, timing is a pretty big issue with the Hall of Fame. Now that mostly applied to players and the BBWAA, but I think it’s very important now given the new system for electing managers. It’s going to be fairly difficult to even get on the ballot, not to mention mustering up votes. This is especially true with guys like Cox, Torre, LaRussa, Piniella (all ahead of Dusty in the wins category) retired recently. Who knows how much long Dusty will manage – or how long Leyland will manage? Or how many wins guys like Sciosia and Manuel will have when they retire and when that will be?
It seems a lot of the HOF qualifications come from legend and reputation – and I think Dusty may be a little low on that end. Compare Dusty to, say Bobby Cox, who has 8 Sporting News manager of the year awards, and 3 MLB awards. Dusty has 2, and 3 respectively, which is actually pretty good – he clearly had a much stronger reputation as a manager when he was in San Francisco. World Series wins also probably play a pretty big role, and most all of the other candidates have at least 1.
On the other hand, I think Dusty may have a few advantages. First, there’s the race aspect. There are no African-Americans inducted into the HOF as managers, though, of course, Frank Robinson is in the HOF and was a manager for many years. Cito Gaston might become a candidate, as he’s the first African American manager to win a world series, but he doesn’t have quite the longevity and record that Dusty does. Depending on when he retires, Dusty’s 1500+ wins and three manager of the year awards may be enough.
Second, Dusty does have a boost in his playing career. Not like Joe Torre, who has a solid HOF argument as a player alone, but Dusty was a good ballplayer for 19 years – his career OPS+ is 119. He was on deck when Hank Aaron broke Babe Ruth’s home run record. He may have helped invent the high-five. Can you imagine baseball today without the high five? It’s crazy! I don’t even want to think about it.
So there you have it. The case for Dusty is not particularly strong, but I think it’s still plausible. I still think his biggest issue may be VC voter fatigue with managers – as Cox, Torre, and La Russa are almost certainly going to make it in the next few years. If Dusty can hang on a few years past that, he may increase his chances – especially if he gets his win number up around 1700-1800, and especially, especially if he can win a world series.